-= Next-generation videocard Topic =- Deel 1

[anoniem]

en daar betaal je ook voor ;) Welke merken gaan trouwens de videoplanken voor de nieuwe matrox maken?

[anoniem]

Matrox maakt zijn eigen kaarten. [edit] Er zijn matrox kaarten gemaakt door een ander merk trouwens, schiet me net te binnen, welk merk weet ik niet meer.

[anoniem]

[quote:d97f8c7e0e="Slashhead"]Ik zit eerlijk gezegt niet te wachten op een DirectX 9 kaart. Als iets in de afgelopen anderhalf jaar wel gebleken is geen waarde te hebben dan is dat wel een DirectX status.... De Parhelia is wat dat betreft een goede mix :)[/quote:d97f8c7e0e] zit wel wat in wat je zegt. mijn oude GeForce 3 heeft eigenlijk voor jan met de korte achternaam in me pc gezeten. hij heeft nooit een directX 8 game hoefen aansturen. dat krijg je dadelijk ook als we een NV30 of een R300 gaan kopen. echter verwacht ik dat de NV30 en R300 het niet alleen van de DIrectX9 meoten hebben maar dat ze voor de rest ook een goed product gaan neerzetten.

[anoniem]

Daar is tie al!! en met een 256 wijde bus!!: [img:5bb19efcc8]http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/shows/computex/2002/day2/r300.jpg[/img:5bb19efcc8] http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1632

[anoniem]

Yummie R300 up and running ik heb ff het stukje van Anandtech gekopieerd: [quote:3498d1dbfe]While in VIA's suite we noticed a couple of demos running, one of which happened to be a test of AGP 8X functionality on the KT400 chipset. Although VIA's AGP 8X controller still has issues with SiS' Xabre 400 core, VIA wanted to prove that the chipset did in fact support AGP 8X so they displayed it running with the only other AGP 8X graphics card they had access to - ATI's R300. Just a few weeks ago we were in Toronto visiting ATI and they were very tight lipped about anything R300 related; it will be interesting to see if VIA was supposed to be publicly running this R300 in their suite. There wasn't much we could gather from seeing the R300 run demo loops over and over again; benchmarking it was out of the question. The card was stable and as you can probably guess by now, this was the card that was running Doom 3 at E3 a couple weeks ago. The reason id Software was demonstrating Doom 3 on the R300 is simply because ATI has the fastest GPU that is in a stable enough form to actually run for any appreciable period of time. ATI's release schedule has always given them the ability to beat NVIDIA to the punch when it comes down to their Fall product releases. ATI usually releases in the Summer and NVIDIA follows in the Fall. The development of R300 has placed it in a very healthy state today and we are expecting to hear an announcement from ATI in the July/August timeframe. Given that the chip is already up and running and production is due soon we are beginning to wonder if the R300 will be made on a 0.13-micron process or if it will be 0.15-micron like its predecessor. If it is indeed a 0.15-micron chip then there is the question of whether ATI will make it a DX9 compliant part with full floating point pipelines. Assuming ATI does make the R300 as feature rich as NVIDIA's NV30 currently appears on paper, then there's the question of yield and clock speeds. It will be interesting to see the design choices ATI made with the R300 and how that effects competition with the NV30 later this year. The one thing that we could gather from the card that VIA was running is an idea of memory clock speeds. The DDR SDRAM chips used on the 128MB R300 card were 2.86ns parts rated at 350MHz, thus you can assume an effective memory clock of 700MHz. It is also safe to assume that the R300 has a 256-bit memory bus much like the Parhelia-512 and 3DLabs P10 GPUs resulting in 22.4GB/s of raw memory bandwidth without taking any sort of occlusion culling technology into consideration. Granted that this isn't an indication of final shipping clock speeds but it should give you a ballpark figure to expect from R300. With ATI providing boards for E3 and VIA's AGP 8X test, it will only be a matter of time before we see cards in reviewers' hands and eventually on store shelves[/quote:3498d1dbfe] Ook fijn om te weten dat AGPX8 werkt en de VIA KT400 chipset ook. :)

[anoniem]

Nog meer rummors [quote:44ac028ca5]RV 250 to be called Radeon 9000 No shock really... it's logical By Fuad Abazovic, 30/05/2002 18:31:34 BST WE BELIEVE FROM talking to industry sources close to the action that Radeon will dub its RV250 product – you remember, the one close to Arcturus – the Radeon 9000. What's in a name? Well although many people assume that RV250 cards will be launched at Computex, which starts this coming Monday, we expect it only to be showed to people who sign non disclosure agreements, and behind closed doors. ATI will probably show the R300 to a select number of folk at Computex as well, we wouldn't be surprised. The R300 is now taped out and ATI is keeping its powder dry for a future launch date we believe. Computex is really a show for buyers, and not one that's normally used to tout introductions, although details of upcoming products always slip out of course. When will it be launched, then? We think we know that, too. More later, as they say. µ[/quote:44ac028ca5] [url=http://www.theinquirer.net/30050217.htm]Bron[/url] Ik vind het een vreemd verhaal. Ati heeft altijd gezegd dat de 7 en de 8 revereerde naar de DirectX waar ie mee compatible was. de RV250 is een DirectX 8 kaart en zou dan dus R8800 of zo moeten gaan heten en de R300 pas R9xxx.

[anoniem]

Idd.... ze waren daar al zo goed met namen gelukkig :???:

[anoniem]

Nog wat R300 info: SOURCES TOLD the INQUIRER that its R300 product is likely to be introduced now in late summer, while the RV250 will also incarnate around about the same time. The company believes that its technology will be far in advance of its main competitor Nvidia, giving it a windows of around five months or so to outsell Nvidia's current generation. We also learned today that Nvidia's NV30 product has taped out but no volume product is expected for that technology until October or maybe even November. The ATI 300 will support DirectX 9.0, will have as many as 107 million transistors, and have eight pipes with 16 textures. It will include 4 vertex shader engines, and use 256-bit DDR memory, and use a technology called HyperZ III. We also expect that the R300 will support AGP8X, be out before Direct X9.0 and support it, include both MPEG 2 encoding and decoding, video acceleration and the rest. The R300 will be dubbed an "entertainment processor" and the high end product is likely to sell at around $399 or so. But ATI seems to have developed a cunning plan to include daughter cards on the body of the cards its customers will produce, giving a number of daughter board options for the system integrator market. It will support 128MB of DDR, VGA, DVI-I and VO, but we believe that ATI will introduce an R300 Light (LE) which will be aimed more at the meanstream market. Details have also emerged about the RV250, which will also be produced in an RV250LE version. It will include Pixel Shader 1.4, Vertex shader 1.1, a 300MHz engine and 300MHz memory, which are variable according to what the customers want to do. Nvidia is waiting for this to be announced and will introduce its NV18 on the same day with an AGP8X "portal". Both Nvidia and ATI use TSMC as a foundry to produce their chips, but while Nvidia's future product is likely to be built using 130 nanometer technology, ATI will use 150 nanometer technology. ATI is likely, given the above, to migrate its existing high end cards down into the mainstream. µ The Inquirer © 2002 Breakthrough Publishing Ltd All rights reserved. Discuss this story on our Message Forum Back to Front edit: post wat aangepast, stond 4x hetzelfde in ;)

[anoniem]

Very impressive :P

[anoniem]

LOL, 8 pipes, 4 VS pipes, 256bit mem, klinkt bijna te goed om waar te zin :D

[anoniem]

[quote:10f39d7804="BA"]LOL, 8 pipes, 4 VS pipes, 256bit mem, klinkt bijna te goed om waar te zin :D[/quote:10f39d7804] ja en dan ook nog is Full DirectX 9 support en 107 million transistors en dit alles op 0,15 micron met een hele simpele cooler erop (zie foto) oftewel "[b:10f39d7804]A Lot Of Bullshit[/b:10f39d7804]" daar is the INQUIRER heel erg goed in.

[anoniem]

Gelezen bij www.anandtech.com : [quote:d7ed4ed91a][b:d7ed4ed91a]ATI's R300 - 10 Layer PCB?[/b:d7ed4ed91a] We've been talking to a lot of the manufacturers that make boards for ATI and although there isn't a strong ATI presence on the show floor, there are a number of gems running behind closed doors. Yesterday we brought our Newsletter subscribers the first look at ATI's successor to the Radeon 8500 (R200) - the R300 chip running at VIA's suite. In that article we hypothesized that ATI's next-generation chip may indeed be built on a 0.15-micron process and today we received some interesting information that may support that theory. While talking to one of ATI's board partners we were informed that they weren't keen on building R300 boards because of the fact that they are expecting the design to require a 10-layer PCB. We could not get confirmation as to whether or not ATI's R300 board running in VIA's suite was a 10-layer board or not but according to this board manufacturer, they will only be distributing R300 boards and not producing them. The need for a 10-layer PCB comes from increased power consumption where separating power and ground layers becomes difficult and thus requiring the use of more board layers to route traces through. With the amount of power that the 8-layer GeForce4 Ti 4400/4600 boards draw, we wouldn't expect much less from a next-generation part from ATI that is supposed to significantly outperform the GeForce4.[/quote:d7ed4ed91a]

[anoniem]

[quote:2a78ff1351="Red Dragon"]Gelezen bij www.anandtech.com : With the amount of power that the 8-layer GeForce4 Ti 4400/4600 boards draw, we wouldn't expect much less from a next-generation part from ATI that is supposed to significantly outperform the GeForce4.[/quote:2a78ff1351] Mag ook wel nu de GF4Ti al 3 maanden te krijgen is.

[anoniem]

[quote:c885350291]"Derek Perez told us that we can look forward to film-like image quality with the NV30 and if this is true, there are certainly gonna be some exciting times ahead on the gaming front."[/quote:c885350291] Source: [url=http://www.nvnews.net/#1023367081]nV News[/url] Berichten: 1000 [img:c885350291]http://www.smilies.nl/party/biggrinparty.gif[/img:c885350291]

[anoniem]

Gefeliciteerd, met een van de zeldzame mijlpalen in je leven :wink:

[anoniem]

[quote:ceb31ceed8="Slashhead"]Gefeliciteerd, met een van de zeldzame mijlpalen in je leven :wink:[/quote:ceb31ceed8][img:ceb31ceed8]http://www.smilies.nl/crying.gif[/img:ceb31ceed8]

[anoniem]

[img:0a6ac569d4]http://www.plaudersmilies.de/elaine.gif[/img:0a6ac569d4]

[anoniem]

LOL :D

[anoniem]

[quote:7d5ce21406="VTec"][quote:7d5ce21406]"Derek Perez told us that we can look forward to film-like image quality with the NV30 and if this is true, there are certainly gonna be some exciting times ahead on the gaming front."[/quote:7d5ce21406] Source: [url=http://www.nvnews.net/#1023367081]nV News[/url] Berichten: 1000 [img:7d5ce21406]http://www.smilies.nl/party/biggrinparty.gif[/img:7d5ce21406][/quote:7d5ce21406] zou wel heel erg mooi wezen wat Derek Perez hier zegt. maar voordat we games zien die dit kunnen zijn we al weer een paar videokaarten verder denk ik (alhoewel Doom III ook erg film-like overkomt) ps. Wel mooi dat eindelijk iemand 1000 posts op een normale manier in 1 jaar haalt ipv in 1 maand. mijn complimenten [img:7d5ce21406]http://216.40.201.38/contrib/ruinkai/cistinebiggrinA.gif[/img:7d5ce21406]

[anoniem]

[quote:7b99cd4e6d="Red Dragon"]ps. Wel mooi dat eindelijk iemand 1000 posts op een normale manier in 1 jaar haalt ipv in 1 maand. mijn complimenten [img:7b99cd4e6d]http://216.40.201.38/contrib/ruinkai/cistinebiggrinA.gif[/img:7b99cd4e6d][/quote:7b99cd4e6d]Dank je :) En jij ook alvast gefeliciteerd ;)