Carmack @ E3

[anoniem]

http://www.gamespy.com/e32002/pc/carmack/ [quote:9bce654ed5] There are interesting things to be said about the upcoming cards, but NDAs will force me to just discuss the available cards. In order from best to worst for Doom: [color=red:9bce654ed5]I still think that overall, the GeForce 4 Ti is the best card you can buy[/color:9bce654ed5]. It has high speed and excellent driver quality. Based on the feature set, the Radeon 8500 should be a faster card for Doom than the GF4, because it can do the seven texture accesses that I need in a single pass, while it takes two or three passes (depending on details) on the GF4. However, in practice, the GF4 consistently runs faster due to a highly efficient implementation. For programmers, the 8500 has a much nicer fragment path than the GF4, with more general features and increased precision, but the driver quality is still quite a ways from Nvidia's, so I would be a little hesitant to use it as a primary research platform. The GF4-MX is a very fast card for existing games, but it is less well suited to Doom, due to the lower texture unit count and the lack of vertex shaders. On a slow CPU with all features enabled, the GF3 will be faster than the GF4-MX, because it offloads some work. On systems with CPU power to burn, the GF4 may still be faster. The 128 bit DDR GF2 systems will be faster than the Radeon-7500 systems, again due to low level implementation details overshadowing the extra texture unit. The slowest cards will be the 64 bit and SDR ram GF and Radeon cards, which will really not be fast enough to play the game properly unless you run at 320x240 or so. [/quote:9bce654ed5]

[anoniem]

fuck dat wou ik net posten :( was je me 3 minuten voor. :D ik las het net op www.3dgpu.com

[anoniem]

Gezien zijn commentaar lijkt het er op dat de nVidia lobby toch gezorgt heeft voor betere resultaten op GeForce kaarten op diverse software. Misschien een tip voor ATI om ook eens wat te gaan doen?

[anoniem]

Daar wordt aan gewerkt, Doom3 werd op de E3 met een ATI kaart geshowed, waarschijnlijk de R300: Doom was apparently shown running on a 2.2Ghz system using some sort of ATI graphics card. It's scheduled for release sometime next year. More details about the gameplay are currently unknown, such as whether multiplayer features will be included in the release. Plenty of other questions remain. But make no mistake--Doom III looks extremely promising and extremely good from a graphical standpoint http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2867326-2,00.html

[anoniem]

Toch maar de R300 kopen ;) ATI chosen to power DOOM III for E3 2002 ATI's ultra- high-end, next-generation chip provides best performance and visual quality for running DOOM III(TM) at E3 2002 LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 24, 2002-- Id Software(TM) has chosen ATI's next generation graphics architecture as the platform for previewing their unbelievably realistic and much anticipated DOOM III(TM) at this year's E3 Expo. ATI's chip was chosen because it offers the most advanced, high-performance graphics architecture to power the demonstration at E3 2002. DOOM III(TM), scheduled for release in 2003, has been highly anticipated both as an unbelievable game and as a true measure of today - and tomorrow's - graphics architectures. Also highly anticipated, ATI's next generation product, scheduled for release this fall, will cement ATI firmly as a leader in the ultra-high-end 3D and gaming graphics market. "ATI's next generation hardware has an ideal feature set for the DOOM III(TM) engine, and at the moment is the fastest platform to run the game on," said John Carmack, Chief Technical Officer & co-founder of Id Software, Inc. "We want users to be blown away by their gaming experience," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President, Marketing and General Manager, Desktop, ATI Technologies Inc. "Our next-generation product will move gamers a quantum leap forward in realistic and immersive gaming. Gamer's won't just play DOOM III(TM) with ATI's next generation hardware - they'll live it." About ATI Technologies Founded in 1985, ATI Technologies Inc. is a world leader in the supply of graphics, video and multimedia solutions for the personal computer and Mac platforms. The pioneer, innovator and market leader in the graphics industry, ATI provides cutting-edge technologies for the PC, workstation, set-top box, game console and other consumer appliances markets. The Company has more than 1,900 employees supporting customers from its headquarters in Markham, Ontario, Canada, as well as from offices in Barbados, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Japan, Malaysia, the United Kingdom and the United States. ATI common shares trade on NASDAQ (ATYT) and the Toronto Stock Exchange (ATY). About id Software id - Freud's primal part of the human psyche and one of the hottest game shops on Earth - has been rocking the gaming world from Mesquite, Texas since 1991. As a renowned leader in the industry, id Software forged such frenetic titles as Wolfenstein 3D®, DOOM®, DOOM II(TM), QUAKE® and QUAKE II(TM). With intense graphics and mind-blowing action, id's games have helped redefine the modern video game, continually setting industry standards for technology and gameplay. And, in keeping with tradition, id Software has amplified the world of adrenaline pumping 3-D gaming with the release of their latest action titles, QUAKE III Arena(TM), QUAKE III: Team Arena(TM), and Return to Castle Wolfenstein(TM). id's advanced QUAKE III Arena engine is leading the next revolution in 3-D interactive games with both single and multiplayer technology. Check out more about id Software at www.idsoftware.com Copyright 2002 ATI Technologies Inc. All rights reserved. ATI and ATI product and product feature names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of ATI Technologies Inc. All other company and product names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective owners. Features, pricing, availability and specifications are subject to change without notice. (C) 2002 Id Software, Inc. All rights reserved. DOOM III(TM), Wolfenstein 3D®, Return to Castle Wolfenstein(TM), DOOM®, QUAKE®, QUAKE II(TM), QUAKE III Arena(TM), QUAKE III: Team Arena(TM), and the id Software(TM) name are either registered trademarks or trademarks of Id Software, Inc. in the United States and/or other countries. All other trademarks and trade names are the property of their respective owners.

[anoniem]

Die woorden hebben ATI zeker weer veel geld gekost ;) Maar ben zeker benieuwd naar de R300. Nog een kleine twee weken en we weten weer waar we de komende 4 maanden op moeten wachten ;)

[anoniem]

2 weken???? weet jij meer als wij? (zal wel weer es ;) )

[anoniem]

Club3D heeft zich laten ontvallen dat de R250 op Computex wordt geintroduceerd en een week daarna de R300.

[anoniem]

Wordt dat dan de nieuwe ATI strategy? De R300 als topkaart en de RV250 ernaast als budgetkaart. Beetje zoals R8500 / R7500 nu?

[anoniem]

Ik hoop dat ze op die E3 beurs echt een r300 hadden als ze nu al een werken de sampel hebben dan zitten ze goed op schema :) //BA Ik denk zelf als ik zo al die specs en rummors de afgelopen tijd op het web lees dat de RV250 de R7500 gaat vervangen als R8800 wat dan een Budget Radeon directX 8 kaart word en de R300 word dan een R9xxx kaart. zelfde geld voor nVidia met de NV18 en de NV30

[anoniem]

[quote:5a9d5a1e5f="Slashhead"]Die woorden hebben ATI zeker weer veel geld gekost ;) Maar ben zeker benieuwd naar de R300. Nog een kleine twee weken en we weten weer waar we de komende 4 maanden op moeten wachten ;)[/quote:5a9d5a1e5f] Zat ik ook aan te denken, maar misschien waren de NV30's nog niet testklaar, ik kan me niet voorstellen dat de NV30 onder zal doen voor de R300 en de kaarten zullen wel weer gewaagd aan elkaar zijn. Het lijkt soms wel eens op cartelvorming zoals in de bouw, zo dichten zitten topmerken altijd bij elkaar kwa perstaties, er is er geen 1 die bv. 200% boven de andere uitsteekt, al zal dat vooral ook komen, omdat de chipindustrie, waar de 2 merken gebruik van maken, gewoon beiden an het max van hun procedé ziiten.

[anoniem]

Idd. Hetzelfde zie je ook bij CPU's en mobo chipsets, het is niet zo dat de concurrent 2x zo snel is, de verschillen zijn daar ook maar heel klein.